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    So both of these dieties seem almost identical. Both nature based with dominion over the earth and it's creatures. My question is what makes them different?

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    I think it definitely comes down to where their priorities are. Habbukuk views the natural world and animals as intrinsically good and beneficial to peoples. Civilization and the natural world are meant to co-exist and benefit each other.

    Chislev, on the other hand, believes in Nature for Nature's sake. The natural world isn't good because it's useful to civilization, it's good for its own ends.

    It's like the difference between an environmentalist who keeps an area clean because they like to fish there, or one who keeps an area clear of humans to protect an endangered species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfire View Post
    So both of these dieties seem almost identical. Both nature based with dominion over the earth and it's creatures. My question is what makes them different?
    To add to what jake said, you also have to look at the other neutral gods. You have Shinaire, and Reorx, who are more like industry and commerce. This distinction in the grey gods makes Chislev nature first, whereas Habbakuk is about the benefits of nature.

    Also, it's important to think about the Habbakuk, Chislev, and Zeboim dynamic. Chislev and zeboim might ally, where a hurricane is sent into region to protect the wildlife from being plundered. Habbakuk, being opposed to Zeboim, would never go along with it.
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    Habbakuk [sic.] is the god of Rangers; Chislev is the god of Druids.

    In 1e, Rangers have to be Good. That’s because Rangers were modeled after the Rangers of the North and the Rangers of Ithilien from Tolkien—basically knights in the wild, protecting civilization from the dangers that lurk beyond. They were keepers of ancient lore and ancient artifacts; their leaders were rightful kings of Men and Half-elves. They knew their way in the wilderness; in other words, they knew how to conquer nature. You see all this reflected in Habbakuk, the Fisher King (a reference to the apostolic Grail King of Arthurian literature). He is primarily concerned with humans and a natural ally of the (other) two knightly gods.


    In 1e, Druids have to be Neutral. It’s really semi-sinister to be unconcerned about humanity, let alone the idea of protecting nature FROM humans, let alone the whole Cabal of Balance thing (Neutrality as an active force or “pillar” in Krynn). Chislev the Feathered Cleric of Nature is not to be messed with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Weldon Chen View Post
    To add to what jake said, you also have to look at the other neutral gods. You have Shinaire, and Reorx, who are more like industry and commerce. This distinction in the grey gods makes Chislev nature first, whereas Habbakuk is about the benefits of nature.
    Which would presumably make Habbakuk the patron of farmers, ranchers, and fishermen. (A role that probably made Habbakuk far more influential and popular with the common people of Krynn than even Paladine since Habbakuk would have much more of an impact on their daily lives. Indeed probably the only god that would really rival Habbakuk in order of importance to the general population would be Mishakal.)

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