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    Still prefer "Mina as child of the Lancebearers and Prophetess of the High God," myself.

    Although if the Anti-Canon were paralleling the War of Souls and onwards, it'd be the Nightmare Variation where Mina is actually Thrice-Deceived Victim and Hiding Place of Paladine's "Divine" Power.
    Matthew L. Martin, Chronicler of the Martinian Canon, the Anti-Canon, Desolate Krynn and numerous other 'wrong' versions of Krynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhelm View Post
    Someone who can go back and forth between good and evil? Sounds like true neutral to me.
    Nah, True Neutral is an ethos of perfectly balancing good and evil, whereas Mina switches from one to the other randomly, or at her whim. She is just unbalanced... a creature of chaos.

    What deity is? Even Paladine has a hard time keeping up with her.
    Yeah, I am really sad that Takhisis is gone, and the setting would essentially have to be rebooted to bring her back. That said, at least I will keep the iconography of the dragon queen, with the Knights of Nereka. I figure I will allow the Knights to somehow still derive enough power to gain 5th level cleric spells through the lingering power of the Vision (enough to power Paladins), and an Order of Clerists for Paladine who likewise would only cast 5th level spells. It puts things on the cusp of the last days, but it just isn't Dragonlance without Takhisis and Paladine (to me anyway).

    I will say that I find her more interesting as a neutral character than I do Gilean.
    I think Gilean could be interesting if some more work was put into him. The gods of Oghma and Deneir in the forgotten realms are perfectly interesting. He could also be judge of the dead due to his control of the Tobril. That said... I am planning to have Gilean dethroned by Sirrion in my setting, since gunpowder will feature so strongly. This would make the neutral gods more of an "active" force.

    I like to think of her as a "goddess of mortals," since she was raised as one.
    What I like about her is that she shakes things up a bit.
    The ironic thing about the "Age of Mortals" is that all the meta-plot was about one god or another making a power play to raise their own standing in the vacuum of Takhisis' death or Paladine's dethronement. Dark Disciple should have wrapped things up if we wanted to keep the tagline for this new age. Mina arising as the goddess of mortals and freedom, standing guard and keeping the divine gods from walking the face of Krynn again (something they've done since the Cataclysm) would have ensured we had an age of mortals. With the balance still in flux, and seeming like that will be the case going forward, we cannot say we have an age of mortals yet.

    Personally, I think a great campaign could be put into effect when she does decide to be active as a deity.
    Well, being an empyrean doesn't prevent her from becoming active as a diety, it just makes things a little more clear as to how she affects the balance. I have to say though, I sort of have a failure of imagination on what her becoming active as a diety would really do. What would be her mission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weldon Chen View Post
    Heheh. I was thinking along the same thoughts. Afterall, I do have a shadowrun/d20 Modern, Call of Cthulu-esque Dragonlance storyline. That campaign was a post-Chaos-War, where Krynn becomes a very earth-like world by 2123 A.C. The gods are considered more like Greek myths. The War of the Lance is more of an epic told like the Der Ring des Nibelungen. And a single moon (but I can change that to three dead moons). There is no magic (yet). Only humans exists. Technology has advanced to look like Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell. Of course the players being shadowrunners come across a plot to make draconians in a Bio lab. And they discover that a Red Dragon is the leader of a Multi-national mega-corporation. In the campaign, the players defeat the dragon, stop the draconians, but it sets off a wider plot to crack open the Greygem. The unleashing of Ionthas mutates humans into ogres, minotaurs, goblins, elves, centaur, and kender, with magic running wild.
    Sounds great.

    But as I was thinking about it, If I were to actively include Mina into the Call of Ionthas (lords I need a better name for that campaign) storyline, I would make Mina's followers very active if She is not. The Church of Mina believes in salvation by believing that Mina will save them of their sins at the end of the world. Having been raised mortal, her church believes that Mina alone fights to protect and redeem their souls when judged in the afterlife. They are the equivalent of Christians, of course. If you don't believe in Mina, then you can't get into Heaven. I'm sure that such a large church has various cardinals and archbishops who work to smite underground sects that pray to "pagan" gods of Light, Grey, and Dark. Hmmmmm. Then the storyline can certainly take on Revelations overtones. Ionthas would be the big bad anti-Christ-like figure that Mina will eventually defeat as promised in prophecies in the Book of Mina.
    I thought about going the "Mina as Christ" route, but I ultimately rejected it. I decided it had been done. The whole clamping down with monotheism on the gray, light and dark gods would be retreading the Kingpriest too much.

    So, Ferratus, I'm not sure I helped you at all. So, tell us about your thoughts of 16th century Krynn?
    Well, I could start a whole thread about it, but in short it involves more mercantilism, rise of nation states, and the rise of absolute monarchs. Traditional religious authority challenged by minor godlings and disruptive and intolerant religious cults. Dungeons under star forts as military fortifications because they are the only defense against cannon and magic. Rise of Mt. Nevermind's Alchemist's guild as a major power player. etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferratus View Post
    I thought about going the "Mina as Christ" route, but I ultimately rejected it. I decided it had been done. The whole clamping down with monotheism on the gray, light and dark gods would be retreading the Kingpriest too much.
    That understandable. I'm still trying to gather together Takhisis's warning that Mina is a "curse" among them. And that Mina is a full goddess. And daughter of Paladine and Mishakal. And the only curses we've seen placed on the gods has been from Chaos/Ionthas. Chaos is still out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by ferratus View Post
    Well, I could start a whole thread about it, but in short it involves more mercantilism, rise of nation states, and the rise of absolute monarchs. Traditional religious authority challenged by minor godlings and disruptive and intolerant religious cults. Dungeons under star forts as military fortifications because they are the only defense against cannon and magic. Rise of Mt. Nevermind's Alchemist's guild as a major power player. etc. etc.
    Interesting. So, are we talking about expeditions launched in those times? like Columbus and Magellan? Are you thinking of a time similar to the musketeers?
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    I could not agree more with you. At first, I played around with the idea of an emo faction rising in Krynn since that is the only logical follower to the miserable-ridden goddess. Instead, I settled on a storyline where Chemosh realizes he will never live down his idiotic actions while going through his "high school style" infatuation with Mina and kills her instead. No one mourned her passing.

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