Monsters from other supplements

[Serena DarkMyst]

What monsters from the Monster Manual II and Fiend Folio, if any, are inappropriate for a Dragonlance Campaign? Im looking to make a comprehensive list something like what is in the DM Screen Booklet.

[Sothus]

I don't have the manual here (I'm at work) but I'd use in Krynn all monsters that are not freaks, that means that I'd discard most aberrations and things that seem very little realistic.

[Cam Banks]

Here's my basic list of Dragonlance-appropriate creatures from Fiend Folio and Monster Manual II:

Monster Manual II
Automaton, Banshee, Boggle, Bone Naga, Catoblepas, Chimeric Creature (template), Corollax, Crimson Death, Dire Animals, Dread Guard, Frost Salamander, Galeb Duhr, Golem-Dragonflesh, Legendary Animals, Megapede, Morkoth, Rogue Eidolon, Runic Guardian, Sirine, Spirit of the Land, Sylph, Tauric Creature (template), Warbeast (template), Yugoloth

Fiend Folio
Aquatic Ooze, Bhut, Blood Hawk, Caryatid Column, Crypt Thing, Death Dog, Demodand, Feytouched, Fossergrim, Half-Fey, Huecuva, Kelp Angler, Kelpie, Mongrelfolk, Necrophidius, Octopus Tree, Oread, Sea Drake, Skulk, Swordwraith, Yurian

I would specifically avoid certain dragon breeds introduced in these books, such as the gem dragons, felldrakes and linnorms, unless you plan on having them appear on remote islands or other continents. Most creatures which rely on psionics should similarly be avoided, because although nothing is said either way about psionics on Krynn it's generally not one of those things that is standard (and the Psionics Handbook is not a core book).

Cheers,
Cam

[WildKnight]

Here's my basic list of Dragonlance-appropriate creatures from Fiend Folio and Monster Manual II:

Monster Manual II
Automaton, Banshee, Boggle, Bone Naga, Catoblepas, Chimeric Creature (template), Corollax, Crimson Death, Dire Animals, Dread Guard, Frost Salamander, Galeb Duhr, Golem-Dragonflesh, Legendary Animals, Megapede, Morkoth, Rogue Eidolon, Runic Guardian, Sirine, Spirit of the Land, Sylph, Tauric Creature (template), Warbeast (template), Yugoloth

Fiend Folio
Aquatic Ooze, Bhut, Blood Hawk, Caryatid Column, Crypt Thing, Death Dog, Demodand, Feytouched, Fossergrim, Half-Fey, Huecuva, Kelp Angler, Kelpie, Mongrelfolk, Necrophidius, Octopus Tree, Oread, Sea Drake, Skulk, Swordwraith, Yurian

I would specifically avoid certain dragon breeds introduced in these books, such as the gem dragons, felldrakes and linnorms, unless you plan on having them appear on remote islands or other continents. Most creatures which rely on psionics should similarly be avoided, because although nothing is said either way about psionics on Krynn it's generally not one of those things that is standard (and the Psionics Handbook is not a core book).

Cheers,
Cam

Wow, seeing a semi-official list from the Monster Guy himself makes me wish I had those books to use.

[Ravenmantle]

Being a monster freak I´m really looking forward to the MMIII! I´ve already added one monster from that book ot my list of Dragonlancian creatures: The Arrow Demon! I do fear that Wizard´s focus on Eberron (psionics, warforged etc.) and Forgotten Realms will render several monsters incompatible with Dragonlance...

Ravenmantle

[Esswer]

In general terms, not just MMII and FF-books, shapeshifters don't exist on Krynn, and as Sothus said, most abberations would not be appropriate. I would, however, include most variants of undead creatures and templates, but avoid use of dragon-kind other than the chromatic and metallic ones (maybe except from fairy dragons).
Other area-, setting-, or god-specific creature would also be out of the question.

[Serena DarkMyst]

Here's my basic list of Dragonlance-appropriate creatures from Fiend Folio and Monster Manual II:

Monster Manual II
Automaton, Banshee, Boggle, Bone Naga, Catoblepas, Chimeric Creature (template), Corollax, Crimson Death, Dire Animals, Dread Guard, Frost Salamander, Galeb Duhr, Golem-Dragonflesh, Legendary Animals, Megapede, Morkoth, Rogue Eidolon, Runic Guardian, Sirine, Spirit of the Land, Sylph, Tauric Creature (template), Warbeast (template), Yugoloth

Fiend Folio
Aquatic Ooze, Bhut, Blood Hawk, Caryatid Column, Crypt Thing, Death Dog, Demodand, Feytouched, Fossergrim, Half-Fey, Huecuva, Kelp Angler, Kelpie, Mongrelfolk, Necrophidius, Octopus Tree, Oread, Sea Drake, Skulk, Swordwraith, Yurian

I would specifically avoid certain dragon breeds introduced in these books, such as the gem dragons, felldrakes and linnorms, unless you plan on having them appear on remote islands or other continents. Most creatures which rely on psionics should similarly be avoided, because although nothing is said either way about psionics on Krynn it's generally not one of those things that is standard (and the Psionics Handbook is not a core book).

Cheers,
Cam

And this is why I have sooo much respect for you Cam. Thanks for the timely and thorough answer! Also be expectin to hear from me around the release of MM3!

[Serena DarkMyst]

In general terms, not just MMII and FF-books, shapeshifters don't exist on Krynn,
I don't think it is so much shapeshifters that dont.....just moon related ones like lycanthropes. But....you may be more in the know than I so Ill keep it in mind.

[Sothus]

I don't think it is so much shapeshifters that dont.....just moon related ones like lycanthropes. But....you may be more in the know than I so Ill keep it in mind.
For what I know, any kind of shapeshifter exists in Krynn...

[Esswer]

I don't think it is so much shapeshifters that dont.....just moon related ones like lycanthropes. But....you may be more in the know than I so Ill keep it in mind.

Yes, of course, I was thinking lycanthropes, not shapeshifters in general :o

[Serena DarkMyst]

Ahh....I was a little curious after that. I started to think I may have jumped the gun on my last post.

[iltharanos]

I don't think it is so much shapeshifters that dont.....just moon related ones like lycanthropes. But....you may be more in the know than I so Ill keep it in mind.

Yes, especially since Doppelgangers and Aranea are listed as some of the "available" monsters in the DM screen booklet.

[Sallis the Silver Blaze]

Yes, especially since Doppelgangers and Aranea are listed as some of the "available" monsters in the DM screen booklet.

An aranea appears in the Age of Mortals campaign, so that pretty much seals the deal.

[edgelett]

So is there somewhere we can get a list of which monsters from the MM & MMII CAN'T be used in Dragonlance?? My DM's running his first ever DL campaign & isn't too sure about whether some monsters can be used.

Yes he has the Bestiary of Krynn. he also just got the Draconomicon.

does the DM booklet that comes with the screen mention what monsters are excluded from DL?

[iltharanos]

So is there somewhere we can get a list of which monsters from the MM & MMII CAN'T be used in Dragonlance?? My DM's running his first ever DL campaign & isn't too sure about whether some monsters can be used.

Yes he has the Bestiary of Krynn. he also just got the Draconomicon.

does the DM booklet that comes with the screen mention what monsters are excluded from DL?

There is no definitive list of monsters excluded from use in a Dragonlance Campaign, since such a list would be quite difficult to compile given the dozens of monster books in existence, as well as coming into existence.

The safest bet is to go by what is stated in the monster section of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, which gives us the big exceptions (no drow, orcs, half-orcs, halflings, titans, lycanthropes, etc.) and the DM screen, which gives us some guidelines on how to introduce new monsters from new monster books into a Dragonlance Campaign. The DM booklet is useful because it does show us how the monsters in the Monster Manual fit into a Dragonlance Campaign. e.g. the Xill are a race favored by Takhisis.

[edgelett]

cool, thanks for the info.

[Wagadodo]

Well I know that Werewolves by legend are included in Dragonlance. Not saying they are an offical monster, there are just legends about them. THe only example I can give is Uncle Trapspingers werewolf bone knuckle.

[Esswer]

Well I know that Werewolves by legend are included in Dragonlance. Not saying they are an offical monster, there are just legends about them. THe only example I can give is Uncle Trapspingers werewolf bone knuckle.

Well, we also, in the real world, have legends of werewolves and hulderfolk, but I don't remember seeing any. :)

[Serena DarkMyst]

Well I know that Werewolves by legend are included in Dragonlance. Not saying they are an offical monster, there are just legends about them. THe only example I can give is Uncle Trapspingers werewolf bone knuckle.


They are not. As it is stated in the DLCS. There are no lycanthropes om Krynn. However....being Uncle Trapspringer....it doesnt surprise me.....just remember the source....it is after all a kender tale.

[Wagadodo]

Sothus,

Yet, Yet. *Winks*

[Sothus]

Sothus,

Yet, Yet. *Winks*
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[Sothus]

Well I know that Werewolves by legend are included in Dragonlance. Not saying they are an offical monster, there are just legends about them. THe only example I can give is Uncle Trapspingers werewolf bone knuckle.
That's something I said in the thread about errors in books: If one author commits an error, this error can be used to say something that's known not to be true, just like has happened to Wagadodo... ;)

[Serena DarkMyst]

Darn editors......they are paid by the rules lawyers.... ;)

[Sothus]

Darn editors......they are paid by the rules lawyers.... ;)
Let's make a strike against editors! ;)
Woops, it would be worse? ;)

[Serena DarkMyst]

Let's make a strike against editors! ;)
Woops, it would be worse? ;)

Nope...Cuz WotC would hire scabs to take over. And they would edit it right to steal the jobs!!!! :p :p

[Wagadodo]

Well you just haven't heard about them in RL yet. *Grins*

Anyways... I know, I never figured Were's would work on Krynn because of the three Moons, unless you used three different alingments to actually have them change based on the like kind moon.

[Sothus]

Nope...Cuz WotC would hire scabs to take over. And they would edit it right to steal the jobs!!!! :p :p
ScabSs? For me a scab is what you get in your skin when you're cut and in process of healing... :confused:

And I thought I knew English!!! ;)

[Kendermage]

There was actually something in the fan-based gaming rules of this site that made mention of Krynnish Lycanthropes. I thought it was well done, and like some of the monsters in the MM as described by the Dragonlance DM Booklet, did a fairly well job of coming up with a plausible explanation for how you could make them work in Dragonlance.

[Sothus]

Well you just haven't heard about them in RL yet. *Grins*.
RL? Ravenloft? ;)
No, I haven't heard... it's because of the Veil... ;)


Anyways... I know, I never figured Were's would work on Krynn because of the three Moons, unless you used three different alingments to actually have them change based on the like kind moon.

Or they'd go mad... ;)

[Kendermage]

RL? Ravenloft? ;)
No, I haven't heard... it's because of the Veil... ;)



Or they'd go mad... ;)

Not if they took the Moon Guardian PrC

[Sothus]

Not if they took the Moon Guardian PrC
Which book from? I don't know the *hundreds* of existing PrC... :)

[Kendermage]

It was a web enhancement for the Complete Divine I got off Wizards website.

[Sothus]

The involuntary change still exists, so... he'd go insane!!!
How much time does it take Nuitare to reach full moon!!
Poor werewolf, even if he didn't change alignment and returned to his original form at will (as the PrC allows) he'd be changing constantly!! :D